wait why did it take me this fucking long to realize how much cas and hannah look alike
Exactly! Last season some people and I were asking about her casting because we thought that maybe they cast Erica because of their similar aspects to hint something in the plot, and if I remember correctly someone from the spn crew said on twitter it had nothing to do with it, but now that Erica asked about this vessel thing I’m then again wondering if it has to do with something we’re going to see in the future.
That aside, I’m not a fan of most genderbend stuff, but if I had to choose a female Castiel, it would be her.
I think any sort of permanent vessel switch for Cas, especially to a female, would be…well it would be such a comically terrible move on SPN’s part that I have zero fear of it happening (between pissing off the Misha fans and being the absolute most politically infuriating way they could pull off Destiel…no, even in my darkest spot of pessimism I don’t think SPN is that dumb).
However, ever since they cast Hannah, I have been partial to the idea that a vessel switch could occur temporarily (resolving before end of episode or the fandom implodes) and would in fact be a great mechanism for bringing even more of the ‘casual viewers’ on board to Destiel by helping them recognize the existing romantic themes.
I mean, right now, when I put on my Destiel-positivity glasses, I see the show already using Hannah in exactly that fashion: They are leading her through Cas’s S4/S5 arc, which due to hetero-normativity already looks hella romantic. If the show actually wants to pull off Destiel, they need to bring the casual viewer into the mindset of a Destiel shipper, which in part involves the realization that this romance has been brewing for years. A one-sided Hannah love story culminating in Cas choosing Dean again (as, for instance, bakasara described) would of course be a huge leap in this direction. Add to that a serious eyesex scene between fem!Cas and Dean with Castiel returning to normal afterwards, and…I think the hetero-normative blinders of 95% of the casual audience would be decimated.
…A girl can dream at least.
This is the first post I’ve seen commenting on how visually similar they are. Considering there was so much talk of Hael as a visual mirror for Cas in S9, I was pretty surprised this hasn’t been jumped on. She’s about as close in bone structure as it possible to get to Misha Collins, whose cheekbones do rather defy physics.
Plus, if we are looking at them in a brother/sister light, I will call attention to the fact that Cas already had a close (angelically) sibling relationship with Anna. Anna, Hannah, I’m not finding it very hard to draw parallels here. Anna taught Cas about free will, now Cas can teach Hannah. (And then Hannah teaches all the other angels and goes on to become the glorious new leader of Heaven.)
I don’t know what to think about the possibility of a body switch, just to get viewers on the Destiel bandwagon. Not to say I don’t think it could work, but I do think there are other ways to go about it without reducing Hannah and her vessel to a tool. I hope the show is brave enough to smack the hetero-normative viewers over the heads, and simply tell them to rewatch with their eyes open.
As for reducing Hannah…I guess I just don’t see it that way. I don’t see that as using her as a tool anymore than I see having a possessed Sam for half an episode as reducing Sam in general to a tool. Or perhaps more accurately—all our characters are used occasionally as plot tools, but this doesn’t always equate with a reduction of the character to a tool overall. Though…this a touchy subject, and I’m betting there are people who actually would consider that using Sam as a tool, so… Let’s just say, it would have to be done carefully.
HOLY MOTHER OF MOLEY.
I did not know it was possible to want a thing this much, because not only would it whack the general viewing audience over the head with Cas’ feelings for Dean, it would do the same thing for Dean.
Because I think part of why we haven’t seen an overtly romantic relationship with Dean and Cas before now is that Dean cannot see it. All the signals are there, but they’re going right over his head because he, like most of the general audience, discounts the very same signals that he would read as romantic interest from a woman because they’re coming from a guy.
I would love it so much if Cas were to have to use Hannah’s vessel for a (VERY SHORT!) time, and it freaks Dean out because he knows it’s Cas—the mannerisms and tics are all the same—but HOLY SHIT HOW DID I MISS THIS??? And once Cas is back in his own body, Dean is all flustered and flummoxed and can’t look Cas in the eye because HOW DID HE MISS THAT CAS WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM HOLY FUCKING CHUCK.
I want this episode more than I need air I’ve been saying for months how similar they looked but I never REALISED if female Cas is this close to our grasp… what it would MEAN Aaaargh I mean with what Cas is going through and how Hannah’s so attached to him it seems almost plausible we could get a story where she temporarily vacates and lends him her vessel maybe some technicality to stave off the stolen grace killing him or something i dunno the point is I can SEE Hannah being desperate enough to save him that she could convince her vesssel and want to step aside as well and let’s say everything’s reasonably cool with Dean and Sam so she just dumps Cas there and hurries off to do important Heaven stuff for the episode and we get a dumb monster of the week with Cas in er we don’t know her name so Erica’s body :P And it’s just totally OTT tropey pushing him and Dean togetherand like everyone they so much as walk past in the street assume he and Dean are a coupleand Dean’s fighting not to check Cas out because it’s *weird* and like he never thought Hannah was that hot what’s even going on here? and probably by the end of the episode Sam has flattened his face from smacking it so much Okay I just want this episode for the Sam reaction shots now I don’t even care about the UST (via elizabethrobertajones)
As much as I want Destiel to smack heteronormative viewers on the face, and as much as I love rule 63, I actually find the idea of using it to push destiel really really disgusting tbh.
In order to push acceptance of some minority collective, very often I’ve seen people who try to paint that collective in a normative light. Instead of teaching people that the existing differences are as entirely normal and acceptable as their reality, what many do is to deny those differences, or to tone them down and disguise them in a more socially acceptable light, to sell the idea to the general public. But we shouldn’t be pretending we are more “acceptable” than we are to gain the acceptance we already deserve.
In my opinion, using heteronormativity to somehow validate the already existing subtext would imply that being queer is not enough to be taken seriously. And that may be true in the minds of many prejudiced people, but the way to challenge those mistaken ideals is absolutely not by adhering to the norm, but by showing that those things outside of the norm can be just as complex and fleshed out and real and intense as what falls inside the norm.
Imagine they did go that route. We get an episode or two of Cas wearing Erica’s face, with more subtext than ever and more overt reactions from the characters, and after a few episodes or after a whole season or whatever, we get a kiss or some other undeniable confirmation of what we already know is there. First of all, there would be the fact that not only the characters, but the narrative itself would be grossly heteronormative by placing more importance on those f/m interactions than in all the other m/m interactions we ever get. And second of all, if you’re giving heteronormative people the chance to adhere to the theory that Dean and Cas are only acting so romantic because of that one time Cas had the body of a girl that made their intense platonic friendship evolve into something romantic, you’re not really challenging the norm, are you? I would know that theory is bullshit, you would know it, half of tumblr would know it, but the text would be there to make it as plausible a reading as anything else, to somehow validate it to some extent.
If instead of that you keep Destiel 100% undobtedly queer, and you show that it is still a very intense, very complex, very romantic relationship, that Dean and Cas act as lovers and life partners, that they act no less in love than any other heterosexual couple, and in general treat it as the completely legitimate romantic relationship it is, with no need to drag heteronormativity into the picture, you’d be proving that queer relationships are no less important or real or valid just for being queer. And yes, there would still be homophobic people whining about how it doesn’t feel real, how it’s wrong and bullshit or whatever, but their arguments would go against anything the narrative is telling them, making their readings delusional to say the least. And for every homophobe, you’d have ten people seeing that wonderful love story on their screens and learning to accept it as normal. Learning to appreciate its validity without the Heteronormativity Seal Of Approval™.
And about the “reducing Hannah to a tool” that fireintheimpala and skavalli discussed, I agree that using her as a device for a romantic plot would in no way reduce her character, because it would only add to all the complexity we’ve already seen she has, but female characters in general are way too often used as tools in romantic plots, making it seem as if no female character is complete without being part of one of those or any other widespread female-in-fiction-obligatory trope, and it would be a breath of fresh air to see a female character who is given the opportunity to not be a part of any of those and still be a fascinating and great character.
From a representation perspective, I absolutely agree that having unambiguously romantic canon Destiel come about without this kind of HEY YOU PAY ATTENTION genderswap is preferable and would be far more satisfying, and if it happens that way, I will be over the MOON.
But from a writing perspective, a genderswap is a gold mine of Dean angst, and that’s always what I’m going to see first.